A responsible company would investigate anyway with the intention of determining preventability. A police investigation is interested only in was the law broken and who is at fault.
There is also a need to make reporting of road accidents a requirement to get rid of the ideas that "road accidents happen", "they are not really work accidents". It is too easy to try and avoid management responsibility for accidents if they are not treated as seriously as "normal" workplace accidents.
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Anonymous
2 Sep 2005 12:16PM
A very common-sense suggestion from Philip.
As part of their standard accident investigation procedures, the police ask for the journey purpose - i.e. business, commuting, personal, etc. It should be a simple thing to extend this to HSE notification.
However, given that there is a current HSC Discussion Document which states that "HSE does not treat occupational road related risk as a priority because it views police involvement...as generally satisfactory", I don't think there will be much development in this area.
Amazing - an estimated 1000+ work-related fatalities per annum, and it's not a priority...
the point I was trying to put across was that by my scheme the HSE would already be aware, and the police would have given them the employer's details.
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Anonymous
1 Sep 2005 12:06PM
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Anonymous
1 Sep 2005 12:01PM
there should also be a statutory responsibility under RIDDOR for the employer to report the accident (if the injury is fatal, major or 'over 3 day')
Once again a classic example of too much talking, and not enough action.
Instead of endless commitee meetings, scores of legislation changes, and numerous new burdens on business, why not make a more pragmatic change? If the police, as part of their current RTA investigations, find the driver was working at the time, they advise the HSE. End of story.
That way the police do their job in bringing any prosecution under the Road Traffic laws against the driver, and the HSE look to prosecute the company if negligence is proved.
Or is that too easy in this country? - Discuss....
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A responsible company would investigate anyway with the intention of determining preventability. A police investigation is interested only in was the law broken and who is at fault.
There is also a need to make reporting of road accidents a requirement to get rid of the ideas that "road accidents happen", "they are not really work accidents". It is too easy to try and avoid management responsibility for accidents if they are not treated as seriously as "normal" workplace accidents.
A very common-sense suggestion from Philip.
As part of their standard accident investigation procedures, the police ask for the journey purpose - i.e. business, commuting, personal, etc. It should be a simple thing to extend this to HSE notification.
However, given that there is a current HSC Discussion Document which states that "HSE does not treat occupational road related risk as a priority because it views police involvement...as generally satisfactory", I don't think there will be much development in this area.
Amazing - an estimated 1000+ work-related fatalities per annum, and it's not a priority...
Member - 312 posts
Alan,
the point I was trying to put across was that by my scheme the HSE would already be aware, and the police would have given them the employer's details.
This post has been removed because it contravened our guidelines.
there should also be a statutory responsibility under RIDDOR for the employer to report the accident (if the injury is fatal, major or 'over 3 day')
Member - 312 posts
Once again a classic example of too much talking, and not enough action.
Instead of endless commitee meetings, scores of legislation changes, and numerous new burdens on business, why not make a more pragmatic change? If the police, as part of their current RTA investigations, find the driver was working at the time, they advise the HSE. End of story.
That way the police do their job in bringing any prosecution under the Road Traffic laws against the driver, and the HSE look to prosecute the company if negligence is proved.
Or is that too easy in this country? - Discuss....