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Gordon Barker
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Wow not a fan of political correctness,hence the Mr Waugh.I would imagine he would far rather be called by his christian name,I certainly would.
Yes you have a valid point about bolt cutters or for that matter as mentioned before just put the coastguard vehicle straight through the gate,but here we go again in this day of litigation and damage to property.You also have a point about the helicopter and the lifeboat,but hey the sea doesn't exactly give you time to think what if at times,I should know as I live on a boat.
Maybe thanks to this we do appraise the equipment and knowing a lot of HMC
volunteers this could be of help to them in future. I am surprised if it was not the case that the coastguard vehicle did have bolt cutters on board,or that as they got out of the vehicle they did not take rope and a sledge hammer & spike.Probably all on board but in a rush not thought of?
Yes we have to do things as safely as is possible,but ask the 24 year old who rushed into a house after a gas explosion to rescue two elderly people and then tried to help the girl who got killed by the wall collapsing on her if he had any hesitation or thought for his own safety?At least through Mr Waugh and his actions her parents aren't going to a funeral.
Stop knocking people for actions that are beyond the normal H&S issues and as we can see after two cases of people dying from scalding,they are not beyond reproach in there assessment of issues.
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Gordon Barker
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"Hang on love as we go back and fill out the risk assessment forms,just hang on and don't leave before we get back!!"
Political correctness gone mad,and unfortunately the MCA have gone the same way as a lot of other institutions,soon we will not let the lifeboat go out as the weather is to bad,or what about the helicopter rescue boys of the navy and coastguard who often have to take the calculated risk and save someones life.
I take my hat off to them all, and in this case the MCA are acting as the planks that sit in offices and take big fat salaries for doing very little.
Sorry to hear that Paul has had probably a worse experience from the MCA than he found going down the cliff.
Good luck Paul and don't blame you for your decision.
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Gordon Barker
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The forum seems to have gone very quiet,so just to reopen the debate this may be of interest.
In Bude a few weeks ago a hairdressers burnt down also I believe affecting other property,and just today I have heard that the investigation has concluded that the fire was started by one of the appliances in the hairdressers.Electrical faults are the second biggest cause of fires,the main one being arson.Food for thought??
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Gordon Barker
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Sorry that last time it would seem my thoughts were put down rather quickly as I was trying to do other work at the same time. Stuart is right when he mentions the web site for PAT,if you go into it have a look at manufacturers recalls,this is the new equipment that doesn't need testing??
In answer to Graham I thought that most of the laptop and monitor transformers I have come across have been CLASS 1,but without any external earth point,they are certainly not CLASS 2.Likewise if you read my first post I have said that no item that you suspect is delicate should be treated as just a CLASS 1 and tested at 25amps,this should be 200mA or less.
Flash testing should from my test meter manufacturer not be required only in circumstances such as after the repair of hand tools or similar,and when I used to run a hire company we used to have to flash test all our equipment when it came in from hire,that could mean 2 Flash tests per day at 3000volts!!What effect was this having on the insulation?
It seems strange to me this non requirement to test office equipment,as I pointed out this is often abused.Ask your insurance company about this as you may find this is part of your policy on the Health & Safety cover side of it.
Happy Testing and watch those knees.
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Gordon Barker
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Interesting reading some of the problems people are having over PAT testing.Having read the leaflet from the HSE I would not take to much of there advice to heart.Last week I was testing a solicitors office and the main failure I found during this inspection was a UPS with a badly cracked case,this was probably caused by the cleaners being hard with the vacuum cleaner.When I went to the store cupboard to check the server there was about 6 with same problem.New equipment rarely gets tested and just before last Xmas I was asked to PAT some fairy lights at a nursing home,all still in the boxes and carriers bags from the shop.First one out of bag went to plug in and low and behold would not plug into tester,had looked at plug as taken out of package but did not notice one pin slightly off line,open up plug to find that the wiring had been trapped allowing
pin to go out of line,remake plug wiring.So this was brand new and would not normally be tested and made in China so that poses a question.Another case,local hotel reception lead surge protected went to unplug from wall and trace back under desk,did not take out of wall as could hear a crackling sound,asked owner if any problems with computer at desk,no,went to collect tester and as walked back more sounds from desk area,large bang,hotel in darkness.The cause was the oak desk had been dropped onto the lead,fine before I moved it,it was hanging on by a thread inside and the area around was hot.Labelling is another cause of confusion,hand drier on fused spur,first one took cover off spur to find an earth wire so class I,next one same make cover off spur earth wire to drier,fine class 1,but this time no little screw head to get earth from,cover off drier and guess what label inside with class 2 emblem,earth wire had been taken through but of course not connected.There was no labels on the outside of this or the next drier to say what class or any other detail.You now ask why PAT this,client asked by there Health & Safety inspector,and hard wired items rarely get tested and could be advisable to do in a lot of cases.PC monitors often Class 1 but no access to earth point also a lot are now run from a class 1 transformer,you can only do an insulation test and maybe a leakage test on these,another item has this problem fans a large amount of these are class 1 but fully enclosed.Just as a point if you can run an earth on these items suggest you do not do it on a 25amp test,do on a 200mA test or lower,otherwise you could damage the circuits,you may get high readings though as the current is so small and you don't want to pay for a new one.Access to plugs,I was told that if you cannot get to the plug to be able to switch items off this could be be a fail, a common situation in most offices,along with the files dropped on cables.So I hope you may find some of this useful and there are lots of other points I could mention.Gordon Barker.TEE Ltd As I write this a local pub has just been gutted by fire probably caused by an electrical fault and our County Council wants to drop the only two fire stations left with 24 hour cover to daytime only cover.After the Penhallow fire which was local it does make you wonder what next?
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