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John Maltby
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Nigel, the case to which you refer went to tribunal and subsequently appeal which was subsequently awarded to Highland council.
As I understand the T&GWU are supposed to represent its members however in this case it tried to flex its muscles without a request from any member(s) for it to represent them and has now got its fingers burnt, hopefully they will now try more gentle persuation and mediation when requested rather than bully boy tactics, I suppose threat of strike action will be their next step.
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John Maltby
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Well said Iain exactly as it should be, unfortunately in todays 'Me Me' society people shout about rights this and rights that, but do not want to know about the responsibilities that go with them and they also want to blame someone else its always someone else's fault.
Any person with skills employed because of those skills should, when the call comes respond and do their duty.
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John Maltby
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Alan.
Many thanks for your responses to my entry, apologies if it appeared to be a legal test paper question however, it was an actual event recently which myself and an associate were discussing and were seeking clarification on the points identified.
John
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John Maltby
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Scenario: Electrician working for large water company returns home at end of working day and assumes 'on call' status. At 1800 hrs receives 'call out' instructions to attend faulty pump at unmanned pumping station over 1 hours drive away.
Engineer attends site in company vehicle (non hgv) and resolves problem with other agencies at 0350 hrs and returns home at 0500 hrs. On closing task with duty desk advised they were allowed 6 hrs break before required for normal work at 1100 hrs that day.
Questions: 1: Whilst at home 'on call' but 'inactive', at what point of the call out does it become 'active' under WTR? I say from the moment of the call as an immediate response is required is this correct.
2: If the answer to 1 above is at the point of the telephone call, presumably the electrician becomes 'inactive' on closing the task with the duty desk having returned to residence unless, they are subsequently retasked when they will remain 'active'
3: If the WTR stipulates a min of 11 uninterupted hrs rest between each working day, where would the 6 hrs allowed given above be justified?
John.
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John Maltby
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Well said Bernard, and everyone else above. The problem is how do we get those on the 'ET' to think as in the real world and see this matter for what it was, 'a money grabbing exercise' The Members of the Tribunal have given the girl and others Carte Blanche to inundate the system with more frivoluos claims. The losers end up being the employers honestly trying to improve circumstances for both their staff and the business, and those that do have genuine reason(s) for going to an ET as they get bogged down within the system.
I know in this instance the Salon owner could have appealed however that would have incurred further legal and other costs including her time away from her business, finances and time she can barely afford and on the basis of the first finding what chance did she have of success??
I wish her well.
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John Maltby
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Carol, Bullying is not just a physical event, In your response to my 'generalised comments you accused me of being a prime example (and therefore as I interpret, the cause) of the bullying in the workforce. You made aspertions of my employer and working standards you also made comments of a personal nature and in particular on my parenting skills, you went on to blame the 'employer for never taking bullying seriously and every 'employer' as being responsible (for it).
Have you noticed the pattern, 'its always someone else's fault. In reality Carol 'you are a bully', recognise it and deal with it then move on. Life is too short.
In response to your last comment, the numerous people who must have advised you were correct. I assume you are now going to hang up your shovel!!
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John Maltby
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How interesting, in responding to my comments in the way you have the 'bullied' have now become the 'Bullies'!! I hope you all take a moment to reflect on this.
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John Maltby
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What a bunch of wingers and whiners, if you are all a token representation of LA employees then I'm not suprised that this country is in the mess its in.
Listen, if you have been subject to negative comments then instead of jumping on your high horse demanding your rights, and quoting the employers responsbilities, take a moment to review what has been said and if your 'honest' with yourself you will most probably realise that yes, you could have done things differently and work to sort it out, if you still feel concerned ask to speak to the other party informally and try to understand why they have reached the opinion they have then work TOGETHER to resolve issues.
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John Maltby
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'AT LAST', a thread that meets the intentions of the site, good clear contributions by everyone. Its been a pleasure to read from start to finish. Any intending contributors please do not ruin it with fliipant or fracious remarks, lets keep this one honest. Stephen please keep us updated on your ultimate solution.
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John Maltby
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Whilst I have every sympathy with Mrs Corr for her loss, this decision has got to be a travesty of justice, If the company is to blame for Mr Corr's actions 6 years later then surely the NHS has to share some of the blame for their failure in his care also, the government must also be to blame for the sad state of this country. where will this blame culture end?
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John Maltby
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Sadly I believe That Bill Wylie (above) believes his own hype, In reality as end users of the security guards we find we have the same staff as previously that may? have undergone a test conducted by their own employers without independant monitoring therefore, the result cannot be anything other than in the employers favour and the SIA providing they get a paper with an applicants name correctly filled in they issue a licence and for this we have seen costs rise on the basis of the security Industry becoming more professional!!
What initially had the potential to do what was proposed was fudged and meerly created nice little earners for the select few like Bill who appear to have neither the will or teeth to do what is required (now wait for the excuses).
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