You are correct, but you can pretty much guess the employers will pass it on, it is an exrememly good way to reduce the companies carbon footprint as many will find alternatives to paying.
Statutory Sick Pay covers weekends as does the 7 days self certification rule, for example if you are sick on a Monday through to the following Monday and return on Tuesday, you have been deemed sick for 8 days and need a Doctors note.
HI David, a few questiosn really to get the real answer.
is the work in any of the excluded sectors which have differnt rules, air, rail, road and sea transport, and Inland waterways and lakes and other fishing industry.
if not one of these they are limited to a 48 hour week, however can opt out and only then need to abide by the rules for breaks.
Two jobs is not an issue, however a way of recording what hours would be essential
Holiday entitlement is now statutory so not taking it breaches working time legislation, selling holiday could land you in trouble as all other workers would have to be offered the same.
if after speaking to them informally and documenting it, I would go down the route of formal action, this impacts on all staff who come to work on time and starts setting a precedent for others. By using a formal warning and final warning you are in fact giving them another two chances anyway. No court would penalise you, as long as you have investigated if there are any underlying issues.
I agree with you of course, and with the comments of Phil, but I would suggest that there are bad employees also who make things up as they go or to best suit themselves. I guess thats why it is best to get it in writing from the outset.
With supermarkets open 7 days a week no manager in thier right mind would agree to no weekend working, this is down to mutual trust on the two parts if it is not written into the terms and conditions, and you are correct there is no requirement to pay extra for Sat and Sun, in most companies now they are just another working day. No one is forced to accept the terms and conditions of employment offered if you dont like refuse them.
I agree about the assistance these retained fire fighters bring, but what if they say for instance work a 12 hour shift on a machine, then during thier rest period get called out and work for 6 hours at the scene of an accidenet. They reutn to work the next day after haing 6 hours rest more than likely very stressed out. They then whilst operating their machine cause an accident due to loss of sleep. OR even worse lets say they were an HGV driver who have driven and worked those extra hours who then fell asleep at the wheel of thier vehicle and wrote of the truck and goods or possibly a coach full of people. I like the idea however it is not controlled, no one really knows what these have been up to during their time off which is by law to rest from their day job.
This comment about 20 days plus bank Holidasy is incorrect, as of the 01 April this year all employees irrespective of what hours or days they work are entitled to 5.6 weeks holiday per annum. 28 days for a five day week, 22.5 days for a four day week (you cannot round down for holidays), 17 days for a three day week.
All of these include Bank or public holidays.
If someone works pro-rata ie 3 days a week then it is the annual salary devided by 52, devided by 5 times however many days worked.
Gets complicated when there are shift patterns such as four on four off, or five on three off, but it all comes down to 5.6 weeks for holiday.
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What a great idea
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Maybe the CCCS should provide some info for employers to display, if we are caught offering financial advice we will be breaking the law.
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Hi Barry
You are correct, but you can pretty much guess the employers will pass it on, it is an exrememly good way to reduce the companies carbon footprint as many will find alternatives to paying.
Colin
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Statutory Sick Pay covers weekends as does the 7 days self certification rule, for example if you are sick on a Monday through to the following Monday and return on Tuesday, you have been deemed sick for 8 days and need a Doctors note.
Colin
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HI David, a few questiosn really to get the real answer.
is the work in any of the excluded sectors which have differnt rules, air, rail, road and sea transport, and Inland waterways and lakes and other fishing industry.
if not one of these they are limited to a 48 hour week, however can opt out and only then need to abide by the rules for breaks.
Two jobs is not an issue, however a way of recording what hours would be essential
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Hi Jean
Holiday entitlement is now statutory so not taking it breaches working time legislation, selling holiday could land you in trouble as all other workers would have to be offered the same.
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Hi Paula
As she is entitled either way you can do it either way, probabaly best to ask her and get her to agree and sign which ever way you go.
You can pay it up or allow it to carry over.
Colin
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Hi Gareth
if after speaking to them informally and documenting it, I would go down the route of formal action, this impacts on all staff who come to work on time and starts setting a precedent for others. By using a formal warning and final warning you are in fact giving them another two chances anyway. No court would penalise you, as long as you have investigated if there are any underlying issues.
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Hi James
I agree with you of course, and with the comments of Phil, but I would suggest that there are bad employees also who make things up as they go or to best suit themselves. I guess thats why it is best to get it in writing from the outset.
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You suggest that the employer compensates in time off as well then?
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You are not treating all of your staff on equal terms, discretion is ok up to a point but common practice can be sited in a tribunal.
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With supermarkets open 7 days a week no manager in thier right mind would agree to no weekend working, this is down to mutual trust on the two parts if it is not written into the terms and conditions, and you are correct there is no requirement to pay extra for Sat and Sun, in most companies now they are just another working day. No one is forced to accept the terms and conditions of employment offered if you dont like refuse them.
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I agree about the assistance these retained fire fighters bring, but what if they say for instance work a 12 hour shift on a machine, then during thier rest period get called out and work for 6 hours at the scene of an accidenet. They reutn to work the next day after haing 6 hours rest more than likely very stressed out. They then whilst operating their machine cause an accident due to loss of sleep. OR even worse lets say they were an HGV driver who have driven and worked those extra hours who then fell asleep at the wheel of thier vehicle and wrote of the truck and goods or possibly a coach full of people. I like the idea however it is not controlled, no one really knows what these have been up to during their time off which is by law to rest from their day job.
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Hi All
This comment about 20 days plus bank Holidasy is incorrect, as of the 01 April this year all employees irrespective of what hours or days they work are entitled to 5.6 weeks holiday per annum. 28 days for a five day week, 22.5 days for a four day week (you cannot round down for holidays), 17 days for a three day week.
All of these include Bank or public holidays.
If someone works pro-rata ie 3 days a week then it is the annual salary devided by 52, devided by 5 times however many days worked.
Gets complicated when there are shift patterns such as four on four off, or five on three off, but it all comes down to 5.6 weeks for holiday.
Colin