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Chris Johnson
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Good to see some sound advice getting out there.
We must remember that the 13A/200SQ M is for an empty building!
I found a warehouse, that was filled to the roof with spirits (not Ghosts!) and only had Water Fire Extinguishers. 6L AFFFoam units often give 21A (with some at 27A), also a B Fire Rating for flammable liquids (and liquefiable plastics). They also have a 35kv Test for use on Live Electrical Equipment. C02 Have a B Rating, but only knock down a fire, the gas floats away and the fire comes back. These now can have a 55B Rating (not 34B) in a 2kg unit, fitted with the new safety horns. Safer, Lighter and more effective.
After almost 36 years in Special Hazards Fire Protection and the last 25 years specializing in Portable Fire Extinguishers, I have never known any Fire Extinguisher in normal use that requires Test Discharge every year. You need to report these crooks to BAFT.
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Chris Johnson
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Please Note: The British Standard for the Installation and Servicing is being reviewed at this time. Public Consultation is closed (before most found out about it) but write in with your input. The revised standard is in draft, but due to be published mid to late 2008.
It may require 3-year updates for all "Competent Persons" and some clarification regarding the practice of Mail Order, to ensure on site commissioning (could be damaged in transit).
I have asked them to clarify; filling, installing and commissioning.
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Chris Johnson
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Just to add; we protect many mini bus and coaches as well, often with a further unit at the rear. Work vehicles; (ABC Powder units for Plumbers with gas bottles), CAN OFTEN BE MOUNTED IN VEHICLE AND REMOVED TO WORKPLACE.
We just need to think in advance about the risks, be reasonable and act responsibly; that is what Fire Risk Assessment is all about.
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Chris Johnson
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Hi All, have just had a very interesting read. Loads of confusion and strong opinion, even within the Trade and Experts. Can I add my bit?
Two months ago, I was invited to speak on Fire Extinguishers in Licensed Vehicles. This was for a local County Licensing Officers Forum. Prompted by the problem of drivers, using an extinguisher from another drivers cab, for the test. I had been in the same debate with boats on inland waterways. Suggestion; put the Registration Number or Formal Service Certificate on Extinguisher.
I was very shocked to find that out of 15 District Councils who attended, they all had their own policy. Some say, none, just run. Others quoted many regulations and guidelines. We need one regulation, guideline, from Central Government. To cover the UK.
Type of Fire Extinguisher; I carry a Foam Mist. I am well aware of the serious dangers and confusion of Powder; BC & ABC.
Training; We always give free training with any purchase, advise on use in vehicles, not to open the bonnet etc. Read Instructions.
Installation; I advise a firm mount in front of the drivers seat, with a cover, (put the seat forward to the user with short legs! and try to miss any wires or fuel pipes when installing).
Service; It is a workplace and you must speak to your insurance, get a written reply! We advise regular safety checks by the driver, annual inspection and service by a "Competent Person". No need for a service visit, unless in a bulk yard/use... just pop in with cab.
I hope this helps, please continue and let me know if you agree or have any further comments on this. Forward the site/debate details to your local District Council Licensing Officer for consideration?
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Chris Johnson
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Hi All, just a few words that may help.
Some Stainless Steel Fire Extinguishers are painted red. However, be aware that thousands of American units have been re-called due to failure. The dip tubes have been found to be defective. So if servicing, have a look.
Before the new regulation, it was advised that any non-red extinguishers should have a red backboard or surface to make them stand out, but I fully agree with Clive Rayboult, this is dangerous.
If it is decided to install this equipment within a Fire Risk Assessment, a "Responsible" or "Competent" person should ensure this is with the agreement of their insurance terms, or could be void.
I have completed fire surveys, only to see the "trendy" owners use my advice, but put (Put, on floor) polished Stainless Steel or Chrome AFFFoam (water based units) near high electrical risks, with Black Printing on. Looks nice when propping open a Fire Door, but can you see the clear dangers? Kindest Regards Chris :)
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