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gary webb
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To simplify what answer i am looking for i will give the situation.
I have been asked to work the door of a hotel bar with another of my friends (we are both licenced). My prospective new employer does not have an SIA licence. Can i work for him even though he is not licenced?
If my prospective employer is supposed to be licenced am i in any way liable if he gets caught for employing staff unlicenced himself?
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tony merrick
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Hi Gary, Im new to this forum but run a door security firm myself. The way I have read it is that to run a security firm you must have done the relevant course and hold the relevant qualification but you do not need to hold a license unless you are carrying out the duties yourself.
I think its perfectly fine for the hotel to employ two in house doormen as long as their licenses are valid. If in doubt, check on http://www.the-sia.org.uk/home I hope this helps.
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gary webb
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Thanks tony i had tried looking at the SIA website but got annoyed not being able to find out the details i required.
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Justin Bentley
Member - 10 posts
Gary, the simple answer is you are in the clear.
Whilst an employer can be fined for employing unlicensed staff, there is no comeback on employees if their employer is breaking the law. The only question is the moral issue of whether you would want to work for somebody who is breaking the law?
Tony - with respect to your advice, you appear to have got your facts the wrong way round. Any person managing licensed staff (right up to company directors) must hold a licence. If they are not actually performing duties themselves, e.g. office role, they do not require to do the training course and need only apply for a "non-front line licence". This still requires them to prove identity and go through the criminal records check.
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tony merrick
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Sorry about that Justin - I was going on advice given to me by another person in the trade. Myself and my business partner keep up to date front line door supervisor licenses as we often have to cover shifts. I just double checked the website and you are correct. It seems a bit reckless of the employer not to have the correct license as the police seem quite keen to give out notices of closure on the venue when they find that the correct licenses arent held
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