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David Partington
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Kuang, people in mental health institutions are un-well why would you wish to add to their anxieties by removing their tobacco? Whilst allowing felons to continue to smoke?
What a government...
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James Fairchild
Member - 210 posts
Lets remember that this isn't just a home (which I disagree with) it is peoples' workplace.
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Anne McAllister
Member - 115 posts
As a smoker ( hang my head in shame) I totally agree with James.
Many workers are faced with unacceptable health and safety conditions and passive smoking is one of them.
I dont believe anyone is being robbed of the right to smoke.
They are merely being robbed of the right to harm other people.
If a worker enters my private place of residence I dont smoke ,its still my home and I can smoke like a wee chimney when they leave.
People with learning disabilities/mental health needs have the same rights as everyone else but with rights come responsabilities.
Smokers can go outside or in a home situation can designate a room for use by smokers .
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Kevin Brown
Member - 73 posts
There are far too many of these incidents where innocent people are being assaulted in mindless attacks by binge smokers off their skulls on Benson & Hedges. I think they should all be rounded up and locked up - it might be the only way they can exercise their legal right to smoke. The only other place still left available would seem to be the bar of the House of Commons. Still, some animals are more equal than others.
I note that no comment has been made by the NHS Trust about providing smoking shelters or smoking rooms, and if we were merely talking about out patients I'd say let 'em go cold turkey for a couple of hours while they're getting their treatment.
Quite clearly, these unfortunate members of society are not in a position to pop out for a quick drag, NHS smoking bans tend to include the buildings, grounds and the rest of the UK that happens to be upwind. To treat inmates worse than prisoners is not acceptable. I have to agree that smoking is becoming less acceptable socially and as an ex-smoker I look back on the day I gave up with a sense of pride. BUT, I can still remember the withdrawal symptoms and the strength of will I needed to overcome them. I suspect most of these folk won't have the mental toughness or the external support to go cold turkey.
Now, can we have a go at gum chewers?
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Anne McAllister
Member - 115 posts
Love the comment about binge smokers off their skulls on B&H.
How can the bar at the House of Commons be exempt from the law?
Thats ridiculous LOL
I had a mild heart attack 2 years back and had to go "cold turkey" while on bed rest.
Imagine my shock ( and delight) when i discovered that the patients telly room STILL doubled as a smoking room.
Havent been an inpatient since the ban was introduced so cany comment on the hidey holes that are used now.
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sheena farenden
Member - 52 posts
As an ex smoker I can appreciate this from both sides. However I cannot understand why these patients cannot have a smoking room.
This is their home and although people work there why should prisoners who have committed sometimes horrendous crimes be allowed to smoke but those less fortunate individuals who find themselves temporarily or permanently in need of care be refused the ability to smoke. Being helped when ill does not mean losing all their human rights or does it? Do laws like this not discriminate against the disabled/elderly people in our society.
As a non smoker I feel annoyed when I try to enter a bar or restaurant through a wade of smokers. I would prefer them to have a smoking area. What happens in the summer when they are all outside and we cannot sit in the gardens etc?
However I also fed up with the non smokers who constantly bully smokers.
These non smokers often drink and drive I only had 2 pints etc or talk on their mobile whilst driving etc etc. These issues are far more serious to both themselves and others but do they care no. Leave the smokers alone.
To be quite honest I would rather stand next to a smoker of a packed stuffy train than someone who smells strongly of garlic or general bad BO or who continually passes foul smelling wind how do you stop all this.
I personally suffer from asthma and it is worse breathing in the pollution in the air than from standing next to a smoker or next to someone wearing awful perfume or using excessive stinking air spray etc
Give these people some dignity and somehow exempt them and allow smoking somewhere in the complex.
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Helen C
Member - 15 posts
I have never smoked and have been around many a smoker in my time and am in the best of health! Stick that in your pipe and smoke it lol! In fact, I have just had a clean bill of health passed by my doctor. There must be something seriously wrong with me...am I the only person on this planet who has not been affected by smokers? I have no problem with them at all and if my clothes smell of tobacco..hey! it means I am alive and walking around and what can be better than that! You can smoke around me as much as you like, no problem at all!
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Anne McAllister
Member - 115 posts
Fully understand your point Ella but employers have a legal duty to protect the health and safety of their employees and passive smoking does kill people.
While you may not object to your hair and clothes smelling like an ashtray I am sure you (and your family )would be a trifle upset to lose your life to the effects of secondary smoke.
As a smoker I have , in the past, worked ( and smoked) alongside non smokers who have emphatically stated that it does not bother them. This , with the advent of non smoking workplaces, is no longer applicable nor acceptable.
In some private nursing/care homes a smoking room is set aside STRICTLY for residents and I beleive this is only right.
Psychiatric units should do likewise.
Prisons are more difficult to manage as the prisoners do not normally have the freedom to choose where to spend their time.
Where does this leave the prison authorities in the evnt of a non smoker aquiring a smoking related illness or disease?
The same applies to the bar in the House of Commons?
Surely as employers they have the same duties to their employees?
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